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Offline Dangerous Dan  
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:29:57 AM(UTC)
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I am flying Sportsman this year and am considering Intermediate next rear. Negative snaps don't scare me but an upright or inverted rolling turn really scares me. I have the Horizon Hobby Sim and fly the Sukhoi 3.1 for real and on the SIM.
Ill set up a roller rate on both that gives me really low aileron throw so I can bury the sticks and focus on rudder and elevator.
How should I approach practice. slow point rolls then slow rolls then slow rolling turns? etc...


Please advise


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Offline chymas  
#2 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:42:38 AM(UTC)
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Pretty much have the right idea.

Put down the sim and go burn some dinosaur bones. The answer your are looking for is at the bottom of your fuel jug.

For me the sim doesn't translate well. You can work on the muscle memory with the sim but it all comes together faster with a plane in the air. Precision is very hard to access on the sim.
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Offline Dangerous Dan  
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 10:58:21 AM(UTC)
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100% of my flying time is sportsman right now just thought I would be proactive so I'm ready if I move
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#4 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 12:59:41 PM(UTC)
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While I know lots of people have a really low AIL rate roller condition... I chose not to use one.

Early on, something happened, not sure what at this point, and had to bail out of the roller..... since my AIL rate was so low, I almost lost my plane trying to get out.......
Plus I found I needed different amount of AIL depending on wind, airspace position, etc. etc.


Now, my rollers are no things of beauty... but the low rate is just not for me.........
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Offline Adi Kochav  
#5 Posted : Thursday, April 20, 2017 2:55:27 PM(UTC)
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The Sim approach will give you, for my knowledge and experience, a very good learning curve.
Not only it will give the muscle memory, but the right mindset we are all getting from burning gas.
It will give you a state of mined and a lot of confidence when you pull it out with your 40%er in the air.

Although rolling circle can give you a lot of time to think while you fly it, sometimes you just react to the plane.
Being said, I find my self, especially when you have a very strong cross wing giving the opposite rudder correction to make the plane skid and sometimes to make her slide the curve.
I think that the key point here is the rudder and not the Ail, I use almost the entire rudder throw when I fly a rolling circle.
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Offline Orthobird  
#6 Posted : Friday, April 21, 2017 6:39:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Curtis Cozier Go to Quoted Post
While I know lots of people have a really low AIL rate roller condition... I chose not to use one.

Early on, something happened, not sure what at this point, and had to bail out of the roller..... since my AIL rate was so low, I almost lost my plane trying to get out.......
Plus I found I needed different amount of AIL depending on wind, airspace position, etc. etc.


Now, my rollers are no things of beauty... but the low rate is just not for me.........


this is so true Dan. You do not want to bury that roll stick and have such a low low roll rate. If you need to bail out, you will be in trouble.

You can still set up a roller rate with less aileron roll rate than your routine IMAC flying rate, and maybe 1/3 deflection of the stick is where you will be to roll it slow, but you still have 2/3 of stick travel one way to bail you out,.
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Offline Bill Vargas  
#7 Posted : Friday, April 21, 2017 8:56:13 AM(UTC)
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Keep it Simple,,, burn some GAS,,, PRACTICE!

Many years ago an old timer told me, "set your plane up in a way that makes you happy". If you must use low or high rates, make the "note" on your caller's call sheet that your caller reads to you,,, Ail LOW RATE-Rolling turn,,, you'll know when to go back after the maneuver. Don't forget about the last maneuver on the Alternate INT sequence,,, need to practice that one too :)


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Offline Dangerous Dan  
#8 Posted : Friday, April 21, 2017 9:16:55 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bill Vargas Go to Quoted Post
Keep it Simple,,, burn some GAS,,, PRACTICE!

Many years ago an old timer told me, "set your plane up in a way that makes you happy". If you must use low or high rates, make the "note" on your caller's call sheet that your caller reads to you,,, Ail LOW RATE-Rolling turn,,, you'll know when to go back after the maneuver. Don't forget about the last maneuver on the Alternate INT sequence,,, need to practice that one too :)


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Totally agree with switch notes I only use 1 switch for sportsman and it's low rate rudder for snaps so they aren't so deep. Burned 25 gallons since march 5th primarily on sportsman. Likely moving up next year so to be ahead on the game I thought I would start early roller practice on sim just for muscle memory and rudder direction and to give me confidence when I do move up. Getting bored with flying sportsman sequence over and over. Would start practicing unknowns but nobody to call for me.

Thank everone for their input on this thread keep it coming.
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Offline Mark Thurman  
#9 Posted : Friday, April 21, 2017 6:53:11 PM(UTC)
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I feel your pain on no caller Dan. The sim will help with the roller just to get the idea of what the plane will do in the roller. What everyone jas said about not using super low rates for the roller is the truth! I don't know how many times I have had to bail while practicing the roller and super low rates would have probably cost me a plane.
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