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Offline Tim Hughes  
#1 Posted : Friday, November 10, 2017 6:50:09 PM(UTC)
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Can anyone tell me what the name of the 5th manuever in the 2018 Basic is? Hopefully this is not to much of a rookie question. Exactly where I could find this out on my own would be appreciated also.

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Offline Steven_R  
#2 Posted : Friday, November 10, 2017 7:13:18 PM(UTC)
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I would call that a lay down humpty. And as near as I’ve been able to figure out there are no questions too rookie and lots of help to be found here!
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Offline Doug Pilcher  
#3 Posted : Friday, November 10, 2017 7:23:31 PM(UTC)
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Oddly since day 1 of my IMAC life I have always heard also, "Lay Down Humpty" and just recently as Score was being updated for 2018 Knowns, had this conversation with another BOD member who showed me it is also, and maybe more correctly referred to as a "Diagonal Humpty" and a "Banana Humpty"

I will forever be stuck with Lay Down Humpty however.

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Offline Joe Ryan  
#4 Posted : Saturday, November 11, 2017 9:04:24 PM(UTC)
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I do not like the term banana humpty. That gives me the image of a curving line.
Offline Tim Hughes  
#5 Posted : Sunday, November 12, 2017 11:16:41 AM(UTC)
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Lay down humpty is will be for me.

Thank you all
Offline Dean Bird  
#6 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 6:57:11 AM(UTC)
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"Lay Down" sounds like it is horizontal. I've always heard it called "Slant Humpty".
Offline Dangerous Dan  
#7 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 7:40:39 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Tim Hughes Go to Quoted Post
Lay down humpty is will be for me.

Thank you all


Tim the naming conventions is not important. What is important is that you work with your caller and whatever you decide to have him/her call it brings up an image of the manuever in your mind. Typically a caller will call the base figure then describe the individual elements. Example "Lay down humpty. Pull 45 degree upline with nothing on it. Pull 1/2 loop to inverted 45 degree downline center 1/2 roll to upright, pull to upright exit, good job"



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Offline Krzy4rc  
#8 Posted : Monday, November 13, 2017 7:56:28 AM(UTC)
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The good thing about a standardized naming convention is that we tend to scramble for callers. If we all have a similar naming convention it is easier to transition to a new caller.

Drunk Humpty...
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Offline Earle Andrews  
#9 Posted : Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:15:32 PM(UTC)
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Personally I like 45 up (or down) humpty. Much more descriptive and easy to envision.
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Offline Steve Stanton  
#10 Posted : Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:12:06 PM(UTC)
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I think Krzy4rc has a good point. From what I've seen over the years, most competitors don't have the luxury
of having the same caller all the time. Even at one event you may have more than one caller.
So I Think it's a good idea to use the most common terminology or description of the maneuver.
The Humpty is a good example. "Up" or "Down", or "Laid Back or Down" for the diagonal Humpty.
Offline Steven Brentson  
#11 Posted : Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:27:08 PM(UTC)
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the problem I've had is differentiating the 45deg from the 135deg.

For exits this is often obvious. A simple call of "pull/push to exit upright/inverted" is usually enough.

For entries into a 45deg up/down line, the first pull could be to 45 or 135.

For example, the shark tooth in the sportsman is a 135deg entry. So it's a reverse shark (starting on a 45 up line) with a 135deg pull. As a caller, I would make sure to call it something standard but then immediately follow with more detail about the 45 itself. I would call "Laydown shark" (instead of just "reverse shark") followed by "pull hard 45" probably repeating myself about the hard 45. But this illustrates the problem. A different caller may call it deifferentky, call it like a regular reverse shark (and rely on the pilots memory to pull 135 instead of 45) or not have any plan and stammer while trying to work out what to call it.

It all boils down to knowing your caller, I think.
Offline Krzy4rc  
#12 Posted : Wednesday, November 15, 2017 12:43:31 PM(UTC)
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I usually will call a reverse on the sharks tooth anytime the 45 is flown first. As for the 135 degree, Pull Back/Pull Hard 45 is always vocalized.

For the unknowns, the pilots memory usually goes blank....LOL
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Offline Mark Thurman  
#13 Posted : Wednesday, November 15, 2017 5:39:54 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Krzy4rc Go to Quoted Post
For the unknowns, the pilots memory usually goes blank....LOL


That's the way I fly my known's, with a blank mind :) Makes things more interesting.

Offline Kevin Wilson  
#14 Posted : Thursday, November 16, 2017 6:57:57 AM(UTC)
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Instead of saying pull hard 45, or reverse pullback, or whatever, why not just say pull back 135? No ambiguity there.
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Offline Steven Brentson  
#15 Posted : Thursday, November 16, 2017 8:09:22 AM(UTC)
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You've got a point. I think it's because it's not about the degrees of a partial loop. It's to differentiate between the three types of lines: vertical, horizontal or 45. Just like the 45 down line of a half-cuban isn't called a 225. It's a 5/8 loop to a 45 down line.

The bottom line is it can be called whatever you prefer. It really only comes down to a few annotations on the Aresti for your caller. My notes usually include roll directions and any specific terms that I think will help trigger memory on what could be an ambiguous call. If you prefer "135" over "hard 45", then note that on your call sheet and point it out to your caller.

Another example of the correct-but-not-even-that-ambiguous category has been simple two-point rolls. Some of the pilots I have called for have preferred "two half rolls" versus "two-point roll". So I learn to call it one way for some pilots and a different way for others.
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