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Offline Bobby Folsom  
#16 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2018 5:05:00 PM(UTC)
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Most important tip is; don't forget to breathe

Or Blink!!
Offline Joe Layne  
#17 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2018 7:25:35 PM(UTC)
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What I would like to understand is what skill the Unknown is testing vs. a typical Known sequence. What makes the two so different? Why is an Unknown, especially one with an easier combination of figures or maneuvers than a typical Known, so much harder to fly?

The closest analogy I can think of that describes the difference between flying a Known and Unknown - and hopefully someone with more experience can correct me - is the difference between a pianist who can play a piece well after much practice - developing muscle memory for each note - versus the pianist who can read music and play the same piece well on the first try.

Greg you will do very well this year. The unknown favors the best pilot over the pilot that has the most practice. It is not as difficult as the known but harder to fly well because you have never practiced it. I was worried when I flew the first one last year, and didn't fly it very well for that reason. By the end of the year I learned to relax and they were much better. Just make sure your call sheet has the info "NOTES" that is needed to get you through it, make sure your caller knows what you need to hear "or not hear" and relax. The stick plane practice with your caller is the key. Always remember, once a maneuver is complete (good or bad) move on to the next maneuver. Never think about what you just did wrong, fly the next maneuver.

Hear is my Unknown scores for the first and last contest I attended last year. Learn to RELAX
Unknown 1 5-22-17
1: (k=25) 4.0
2: (k=15) 0.0
3: (k=15) 3.0
4: (k=36) 2.0
5: (k=14) 7.0
6: (k=27) 0.0 [br]
7: (k=26) 4.0
8: (k=30) 0.0
9: (k=14) 5.0
10: (k=13) 5.0
11: (k=6) 10.0
12: (k=6) 5.0
Simple Sum: 45
K-Factored Sum: 624

Unknown 2 8-28-17
1: figure q (k=21) 8.5
2: 1/2 cuban (k=24) 9.0
3: hammer (k=25) 8.0
4: turn (k=6) 9.5
5: upline (k=22) 9.5
6: roll (k=12) 9.0
7: 45 line (k=16) 8.5
8: upline (k=22) 7.5
9: spin (k=13) 7.0
10: half octagon (k=10) 9.0
11: sound (k=6) 8.0
12: asc (k=6) 9.0
Simple Sum: 102.5
K-Factored Sum: 1,552.5

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Offline rclad  
#18 Posted : Wednesday, March 14, 2018 8:58:22 PM(UTC)

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Awesome scores on that last Unknown, Joe! After the stick plane practice, I'm going to read a comic book before my Unknowns. BigGrin
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Offline Allen Delger  
#19 Posted : Friday, March 16, 2018 2:03:41 PM(UTC)
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Thanks everyone for the excellent replies. It looks like a good first time approach would be :
1. Put some quality time in practicing reading and flying some of the available unknows before the first event.
2. Work through the first real unknown in a group to confirm we are reading it right, and take advantage of others perspective on it. .
3. Mark up the Aresti with what you want your caller to call.
4. Go over the Aresti with your caller and a stick plane.
5. Practice with a stick plane that evening and the next morning to get it pretty much memorized.
6. Relax and have fun when the real unknown time comes.
If that doesn't work, then I think we'll have to go back and adopt some of the other tips.

Thanks again, I hope I heard right what you all offered, and were looking forward to the first real test.

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Offline Orthobird  
#20 Posted : Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:44:54 PM(UTC)

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Just to add to what everyone else has stated, once I know the directionals, then I will get my iPhone, and use the voice app. I will then record myself calling it. Then, I can sit and play it back while I use the stick plane. Doing this multiple times, you will memorize the sequence. Unfortunately, what you hear from your voice recording is never the way someone will call it for you during the actual unknown flight. Unless the caller is really good. Not so much a problem for Sportsman though. Good luck!
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Offline David J  
#21 Posted : Thursday, June 7, 2018 7:19:37 AM(UTC)
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Love this thread.

This may have been mentioned already, but throwing it out there again --

Most of the time, we have to fly a known after the unknown - so -----
Pull up your known and get yourself and mind back in tune with the routine. Just after you just "crammed" for the unknown, you do not want to find yourself confused on a similar maneuver coming from you unknown showing up in the sky with your known -- surprise!

All in preparation!

Offline Kevin  
#22 Posted : Friday, June 8, 2018 2:23:18 PM(UTC)

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Great Great advice so far.
Last year was my first year of unknowns. I have a very strange mind (those that know me, no comments please LOL). I tend to memorize things very quickly, in fact there was only one contest that my unknown scores were not higher than my known scores. I had to ask myself why, I practice knowns all the time. Here is what I came up with.

Knowns - I become complacent and just rush through it.
Unknowns - I take my time and make sure I know the next maneuver so I know how to set myself up during the current maneuver.
Knowns - I beat myself up during the sequence. For every little thing I did during the current maneuver. I distract myself for the next one.
Unknowns - I let the past be in the past and move on to the next maneuver.
Knowns - I think I know more than my caller. While beating myself up for something I did wrong I will loose track where I am and even argue with a caller that is right when I am wrong.
Unknowns - I slow down, listen to the caller and make sure it is what I remember it to be in the right sequence.

Finally, I am able to think about the whole flow of the sequence, not just directional maneuvers but ending a maneuver high or low should set me up for something new that will start high, low, end, or out, and then end high, low, end or out which will set me up for something that will start.... you get the picture. A loop cannot end high with the next maneuver being a split 'S'
at least for Sportsman BigGrin

It's a dance and should flow and be fun.

Hope that helps.

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#23 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2018 9:13:22 AM(UTC)

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I am looking for a source of Sportsman unknowns to practice. I know this site has 5 practice sequences. Is there another source where I can find unknowns?
Offline Doug Pilcher  
#24 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2018 9:42:21 AM(UTC)
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I am looking for a source of Sportsman unknowns to practice. I know this site has 5 practice sequences. Is there another source where I can find unknowns?

PM or text me at 903-647-2640 with email address and I can send you years back worth of Unknowns. I save them all! No problem.
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Offline Terry Pellerin  
#25 Posted : Sunday, June 10, 2018 7:01:30 PM(UTC)
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Is it possible to get the Intermediate 2018 unknowns already flown?
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Offline rclad  
#26 Posted : Monday, June 11, 2018 1:29:32 PM(UTC)

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As a new Sportsman pilot this year, I found the challenge with Unknowns is overcoming muscle memory from similar figures in the Known sequence that you have practiced repeatedly. So it's easy to think once the Unknown is memorized and you have flown the stick plane with your caller that the flight will go smoothly. Not so! I realize now I have to identify those segments that are similar to the Known as potential trouble spots and make notes for the caller to emphasize the differences coming up.

For example, if the wind all day Saturday makes a left rudder hammerhead at the end of the box work best and then Sunday morning, with the wind in the same direction but the Unknown calling for a belly hammerhead in front of you, you still want the nose going left, but right rudder is required. This is just opposite of what your fingers will want to do! Another trouble spot is an interior line with the same roll element as the Known, but a different pull or push at the end of the line. Once again, muscle memory will take over from the Known sequence if you don't put a note for your caller to emphasize the different path at the end.

So, after memorizing the sequence, flying it with your stick plane and figuring out positioning for each figure in the box, fly it with your transmitter and retrain your fingers where similar figures require different stick inputs.

Unknowns take a lot of focus, and good listening skills. You have to trust your caller when your mind goes blank!
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