Hi all! I have a question on how to fly the aresti. On the diagram page (page 2 or 3) it shows the maneuvers flowing from the top to the bottom of the page and also that some of the exits are lower than the entrances. I guess I am confused about whether to enter and exit at the same height so that the straight and level periods between each maneuver are at the same altitude. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Alex, the maneuvers are numbered 1 through 10 and are flown in that order. The maneuvers as drawn on the diagram don't indicate whether an exit is higher or lower than the entrance; they are drawn for legibility. Some of the maneuvers, such as a loop, require entry and exit at the same altitude, others like a figure 9 do not.

Gary

Alex,

To build on what Gary has said, think of the Aresti as this:

The Aresti tells you what to do, not how to do it. As Gary said certain maneuvers do require you to start and end at the same spot in the sky, but for most others, entry and exited are pilot's disrection <sp>

A look at the Flying and Judging Guide will help you with your questions as well. It is something you need to be familiar with so that you understand what the judges are looking for.

http://www.modelaircraft.org/files/...cs2010.pdf

Thanks for the respones! I was really confused about that I guess. thanks again for clearing that up!

Alex,

It's actually a fairly common question, no worries, that's what this site is all about

Yes, quite a common question when starting out...

This and many many more will be discussed at the Flying adn Judging seminar over in Muncie for your region. Hope you can make it.

Thanks again for the responses! I dont know if I will be able to make it to the judging seminar though Curtis, I still have school

I guess another question is about flying the left to right thing. Does it always go left to center to right to center to left etc?

Alex: You can do the sequence in mirror image if you want. But if the sequence calls for you to be over to the left right after you do a center manuever, you better be somewhere over to the left. If your over to your right, you've done something wrong to get there. In short, Yes, the sequence always flows from center to either left or right, back to center, and then to the right or left. The sequence committee does this so the contest can flow faster and your flight time is spent performing manuevers.

Hope this helps,
Dan

Thanks Dan! that is just what I was looking for! I really appreciate all the help guys!

Well I guess I am still confused. This is how I interperet the maneuver location for the 2010 sportsman sequence:
1. Center
2. left
3. center
4. left
5. center
6. left
7. center
8. right
9. center
10. right
This just doesn't seem right to me. Any clarification or corrections would be greatly appreciated!

I don't know what class you are looking at but if there are only two manuvers it would go like this
1 left
2 right
3 left
4 right
If ther are three manuvers there would be one left, one center, one right
If you look at Sportsman,
The first manuver is on the right side on the air space.
The second manuver is on the left side on the air space.
Manuver three is on the right side of the air apace.
And four is left again and so on.
They are all like that till you get to manuvers 6,7,& 8.
Six is left seven is center and eight is right.
Nine is left side of air space and I like to do the spin right in front of me.
Hope that helps
Larry S.

There is no BOX in IMAC so there is No right center left, it is up to the pilot to place each manuever so that it can be best judged that is what ACS is all about. Depending on which direction up start the sequence will make you have to fly manuevers in the correct direction but you can put them where ever you want them the judge will give you an Airspace Control Score at the end of your flight as to how well you placed the manuevers so that he could judge them.

Holy crap, now I'm agreeing with Mark, In another post I agreed with Curtis, this is getting scary

Just kidding Mark,

I usually explain it like this in the Primers we do here in the NE.

While there is no aerobatic box in IMAC, for some people it's easier to think that way until they get used to flying a sequence so take what Mark said and add what everyone else has said and combine the two.

Fly it as if you were in a box, keep all the maneuvers in a place that they can be judged the best and have fun. I know there is no rule about "flow" but one thing I learned and seems to be the most common thing is keeping the flow of the sequences nice and even. If you can do that, the ACS and center, lefts and rights will come together fairly easy and when the flow looks nice, your scores can improve.

By flow I mean, try to keep the lines between the maneuvers as close to the same distance as possible, try to keep the altitudes the same, though some maneuvers will require you go high to complete the next maneuver, say an immelman may need to be taken up high to setup for the 1.5 or 2 turn spin that follows it.

Alex,

I do have a question though and please understand I am not trying to downplay what you are asking.

Based on your questions, I do have a concern

If you have never flown IMAC before and may be planning to go right into the Sportsman sequence, you may want to reconsider that for your first couple of contests. Basic does not fly unknowns where sportsman and above do. If you are having trouble reading aresti right now and placing your maneuvers then it can be a problem in the unknowns. You do not get to practice an unknown with your plane or a sim. You can practice it with a stick plane and the unknown will be a bit harder than the known.

I would say to start in basic for at least one contest, then move to sportsman, that way you get used to what needs to be done. Don't count basic out, it's a lot harder than it looks. A lot of great pilots have trouble at first even flying a properly wind corrected horizontal or vertical line

If you have flown before please accept my apologies

There are a lot of Great pilots in your Area contact your Regional Director or your ARD and meet them somewhere over a weekend the info you can gain from a face to face with someone that knows this stuff is way better than anything I can type,,,,,, I'm happy to answer any questions you have but you would get so much more out of a face to face meeting.

Don't worry about it BIll, I understand your concern. I think I have a pretty good grasp on the basic sequence from last year and talking to one of the members in my club, who also fly's IMAC, he though I did pretty well even in the wind. I never really competed though, but I do feel confident in flying the sportsman as I know how to do all of the maneuvers and corrrect with wind, I was just a little confused on placement. The basic class from last pretty much went from left to right to center etc., though it wasnt apparent to me with the sportsman. I tried it on the sim last night and I think I know what I need to do now. Thanks for all of the help regardless, it really helped to clear things up!

Alex

Here is a link to a British site. It is a full size aerobatic aircraft site. However our flying is meant to emulate the IAC with some minor changes to accomodate the pilot position. It is a good reference.

From my experience when starting out I read as much as I could on full size aerobatic training and techniques. It gave me insight into what to do when flying.
Have fun and enjoy the hobby. It is one of those activities you will have for the rest of your life.

http://www.aerobatics.org.uk/judging/judging-topics.htm

Ted

FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE????? YOU GOT TO BE KIDDIGN ME!! haha

Posted By Alex Morley on 02 Mar 2010 21:53
FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE????? YOU GOT TO BE KIDDIGN ME!! haha

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